Sundering for Sword - Guild Wars Forums

Helix Dreadlock · Jun 13, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

People say it's good, I personally, like using the 20% Sundering mod for a sword, (even though I dont use sword much).

Some people say it sucks, since you typically attack with 33% speed boost, and sword has the 2nd lowest base damage, with the lowest attack rate.

I'm wondering if you all think it's worth it.

Also, what about hammer? armor penetration with 19 - 35 damage each hit could hurt, but I want to know what you all think.

_Nihilist_ · Jun 13, 2009, 12:58 AM // 00:58

For Sword, Vampiric outdamages Sundering

For Hammer, Sundering is worth carrying if you are going to swap to it in order to Spike.

lewis91 · Jun 13, 2009, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

For Sword, Vampiric outdamages Sundering

For Hammer, Sundering is worth carrying if you are going to swap to it in order to Spike.

Pretty much agree with this. I rarely carry sundering, but for swords i pick up and intend to sell i stick on sundering because it looks nicer than the +3 -1degen.

For pve i use a vampiric and spam whirling attack and sun & moon slash.

For PVP i use a vampiric but if im getting blocked alot il swap to sundering just to save the health loss really, or swap targets

Loki Seiguro · Jun 13, 2009, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Vamp and sundering are good for both pve and pvp. up to you really. Personally I prefer 10/10 furious in pve at all times.

moriz · Jun 13, 2009, 02:19 AM // 02:19

the point of using sundering is for the potential damage spikes that it can provide, to catch opponents off guard. unfortunately, this calls for a high max damage on the weapon, which swords don't have.

for pve play, use vamp all the way. nobody cares about damage spikes in pve, so the greater DPS that vamp gives is superior. not to mention, cheaper.

nomak · Jun 13, 2009, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Vampiric all the way!

October Jade · Jun 13, 2009, 07:55 AM // 07:55

Sundering is the mod of choice for people who can't be bothered to weapon swap. Like heroes. And players who want to show off a shiny, new EBlade or whatever is popular these days. Vampiric is the superior option in terms of dps augmentation, but it also has a small malus. Sundering is just a smaller boon with no real downside outside of opportunity costs.

There is also the option to use elemental hilts instead, but it's kind of a wash. More effective against warriors, less effective against rangers. Again, swapping is main idea here, but sometimes people just get lazy.

Ennes X · Jun 13, 2009, 09:00 AM // 09:00

Sundering is for builds that don't benefit from any other specific mod. I look at it as a generic default.

Ben-A-BoO · Jun 13, 2009, 10:55 AM // 10:55

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

... and sword has ... the lowest attack rate.

Just a tiny correction: you are wrong about the attack rate.

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Originally Posted by wiki

Sword Attack rate: 1.33 seconds.

Same as an Axe. Hammer is the slowest warrior weapon with an attack rate of 1.75 seconds.

Anyway, I suggest running vamp on sword and swap to your secondary sword set off battles. Usually an elemental. But there is not to much wrong with running sundering in PvE if you are lazy and just strolling along with heroes.

Have fun.

Tenebrae · Jun 13, 2009, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Yea , sword has the most regular damage of W weaps so if you switch to sword , vampiric mod adds 3 dmg always and with sundering you have 20% chance to add 5 ot 7 maybe ? ( depends on foe level ofc ), sometimes is worth , sometimes not.

Dre · Jun 13, 2009, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Sundering is worth it if you're using a scythe.
It's decent when you use a hammer (even though vampiric is still a bit better)
All other weapons ==> vampiric > sundering

Yang Whirlwind · Jun 13, 2009, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Imo, Sundering for sword is exactly what Ennes X said: generic default.

If you are:

not using a high energy build that can benefit from Zealous
not using an Adrenaline build that can benefit from Furious
too lazy to switch to a non Vampiric weapon when you're not fighting

then Sundering is a decent choice

lord of all tyria · Jun 13, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind

Imo, Sundering for sword is exactly what Ennes X said: generic default.

If you are:

not using a high energy build that can benefit from Zealous
not using an Adrenaline build that can benefit from Furious
too lazy to switch to a non Vampiric weapon when you're not fighting

then Sundering is a decent choice

Basically, if you're awful at the game.

Helix Dreadlock · Jun 13, 2009, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord of all tyria

Basically, if you're awful at the game.

Ok, first off, that comment was not needed. Second off, I was just curious, as I don't even play swords. I use hammer, and I was just curious. If you need to troll along the forums, or ad some negative feedback, find a new game.

Necromas · Jun 14, 2009, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Don't forget the healing from vampiric, it more than negates the degen and you get a small burst of healing if you hit a lot of foes with something like whirlwind attack.

Sure it's not much, but it could save your arse just as easily as the difference between a near perfect shield and a perfect one.

_Nihilist_ · Jun 15, 2009, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Never count on the heal from a Vampiric weapon to actually heal you. The difference between what you lose due to the degen and what you gain on hit is minimal, barely enough to call it healing. It makes up for the degen, but that's it. Again, this is on max Vampiric (3 for Axe/Sword, 5 for Hammer, anything under that won't even keep up with the degen - but that's what Healers are for

)

Furious should be used on a Spear in PvP, or for certain situations in PvE (farming, when you are Blinded or Blocked and cannot switch targets) so that the chance for double Adrenaline gain is worth it. Otherwise, it triggers 10% of the time, 1 out of 10 theoretical attacks, and therefore isn't worth the weapon-slot, unless you were going to use Sundering, then I'd say go with the Furious (since you were probably going to use the Sundering out of laziness and not wanting to weapon-swap), double Adrenaline on a 10% chance is better than a couple damage due to Sundering on a 20% chance, but only for Sword due to the narrow damage range.

Jun 13, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52	#1
Helix Dreadlock Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Imperial Sanctum Guild: Legendary Drunken Masters [DUI] Profession: E/Me	Sundering for Sword People say it's good, I personally, like using the 20% Sundering mod for a sword, (even though I dont use sword much). Some people say it sucks, since you typically attack with 33% speed boost, and sword has the 2nd lowest base damage, with the lowest attack rate. I'm wondering if you all think it's worth it. Also, what about hammer? armor penetration with 19 - 35 damage each hit could hurt, but I want to know what you all think.

Jun 13, 2009, 12:58 AM // 00:58	#2
_Nihilist_ Will Bull's Strike for $! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Isle of the Dead	For Sword, Vampiric outdamages Sundering For Hammer, Sundering is worth carrying if you are going to swap to it in order to Spike. __________________ Warrior for Hire

Jun 13, 2009, 02:36 PM // 14:36	#12
Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) Profession: E/	Imo, Sundering for sword is exactly what Ennes X said: generic default. If you are: not using a high energy build that can benefit from Zealous not using an Adrenaline build that can benefit from Furious too lazy to switch to a non Vampiric weapon when you're not fighting then Sundering is a decent choice

Jun 15, 2009, 01:32 AM // 01:32	#16
_Nihilist_ Will Bull's Strike for $! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Isle of the Dead	Never count on the heal from a Vampiric weapon to actually heal you. The difference between what you lose due to the degen and what you gain on hit is minimal, barely enough to call it healing. It makes up for the degen, but that's it. Again, this is on max Vampiric (3 for Axe/Sword, 5 for Hammer, anything under that won't even keep up with the degen - but that's what Healers are for ) Furious should be used on a Spear in PvP, or for certain situations in PvE (farming, when you are Blinded or Blocked and cannot switch targets) so that the chance for double Adrenaline gain is worth it. Otherwise, it triggers 10% of the time, 1 out of 10 theoretical attacks, and therefore isn't worth the weapon-slot, unless you were going to use Sundering, then I'd say go with the Furious (since you were probably going to use the Sundering out of laziness and not wanting to weapon-swap), double Adrenaline on a 10% chance is better than a couple damage due to Sundering on a 20% chance, but only for Sword due to the narrow damage range. __________________ Warrior for Hire

Jun 13, 2009, 01:55 AM // 01:55	#4
Loki Seiguro Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: IGN: Scarlet Test Ace Guild: We play Isketch in [HoH] Profession: E/	Vamp and sundering are good for both pve and pvp. up to you really. Personally I prefer 10/10 furious in pve at all times.

Jun 13, 2009, 02:19 AM // 02:19	#5
moriz ??ber t??k-n??sh'??n Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Profession: R/	the point of using sundering is for the potential damage spikes that it can provide, to catch opponents off guard. unfortunately, this calls for a high max damage on the weapon, which swords don't have. for pve play, use vamp all the way. nobody cares about damage spikes in pve, so the greater DPS that vamp gives is superior. not to mention, cheaper.

Jun 13, 2009, 06:10 AM // 06:10	#6
nomak Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Beacon's Perch Profession: D/	Vampiric all the way!

Jun 13, 2009, 07:55 AM // 07:55	#7
October Jade Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: drifting between Indiana and NorCal	Sundering is the mod of choice for people who can't be bothered to weapon swap. Like heroes. And players who want to show off a shiny, new EBlade or whatever is popular these days. Vampiric is the superior option in terms of dps augmentation, but it also has a small malus. Sundering is just a smaller boon with no real downside outside of opportunity costs. There is also the option to use elemental hilts instead, but it's kind of a wash. More effective against warriors, less effective against rangers. Again, swapping is main idea here, but sometimes people just get lazy.

Jun 13, 2009, 09:00 AM // 09:00	#8
Ennes X Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Teh Outsiders [xxxx]	Sundering is for builds that don't benefit from any other specific mod. I look at it as a generic default.

Jun 13, 2009, 11:40 AM // 11:40	#10
Tenebrae Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Spain Guild: LHV Profession: R/N	Yea , sword has the most regular damage of W weaps so if you switch to sword , vampiric mod adds 3 dmg always and with sundering you have 20% chance to add 5 ot 7 maybe ? ( depends on foe level ofc ), sometimes is worth , sometimes not.

Jun 13, 2009, 11:52 AM // 11:52	#11
Dre Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Belgium Guild: Dutch Doom Brigade Profession: W/	Sundering is worth it if you're using a scythe. It's decent when you use a hammer (even though vampiric is still a bit better) All other weapons ==> vampiric > sundering

Jun 14, 2009, 01:58 AM // 01:58	#15
Necromas Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005	Don't forget the healing from vampiric, it more than negates the degen and you get a small burst of healing if you hit a lot of foes with something like whirlwind attack. Sure it's not much, but it could save your arse just as easily as the difference between a near perfect shield and a perfect one.